81. Thucydides, The Melian Dialogue thucydides, The Peloponnesian War, The Melian Dialogue (Book 5, Chapter17). Translated by Richard Crawley. Electronic text from http://www.wellesley.edu/ClassicalStudies/CLCV102/Thucydides--MelianDialogue.htm

Thucydides, The Peloponnesian War, The Melian Dialogue (Book 5, Chapter 17) Translated by Richard Crawley. Electronic text from the Internet Classics Archive at MIT: http://classics.mit.edu/Thucydides/pelopwar.5.fifth.html Sixteenth Year of the War - The Melian Conference - Fate of Melos Athenians. Since the negotiations are not to go on before the people, in order that we may not be able to speak straight on without interruption, and deceive the ears of the multitude by seductive arguments which would pass without refutation (for we know that this is the meaning of our being brought before the few), what if you who sit there were to pursue a method more cautious still? Make no set speech yourselves, but take us up at whatever you do not like, and settle that before going any farther. And first tell us if this proposition of ours suits you. The Melian commissioners answered: Melians. To the fairness of quietly instructing each other as you propose there is nothing to object; but your military preparations are too far advanced to agree with what you say, as we see you are come to be judges in your own cause, and that all we can reasonably expect from this negotiation is war, if we prove to have right on our side and refuse to submit, and in the contrary case, slavery. Athenians.

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K.H. Kinzl home page TLG code for Greek text Thucydides 6.59.4 Again Konrad H. Kinzl C. W. Fornara in a recent article put forward a new interesting interpretation of Thuc. 6.59.4. not all but only some K.J. Dover I should like to illustrate the philological situation first by the following [seemingly] trivial experiment (the preposition U(PO/ is replaced by a preposition demanding a case other than the genitive): Possibility (c), a partitive genitive *A)LKMEONIDW=N specifying who these exiles were, was advanced by Classen and Steup . This seems to be the position taken by Fornara too. Classen- not exiled one and all This is circular. Since FUGA/DES and FEU/GONTES always appear alonG with a partitive genitive, this construction cannot have a strongly partitive meaning. In 1.113.1, *BOIWTW=N TW=N FEUGO/NTWN (see n. 12 not the real cause of the tyrannicide. n. 16 ). It is thus impossible to detect a conflict of Thucydides vs. Herodotos from the wording of Thuc. 6.59.4. Footnotes Charles W. Fornara, Two notes on Thucydides, II, Philologus Return to text Thuc. 6.59.4:

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86. Untitled Moral Reasoning 50. Pericles’ Funeral Oration,. from thucydides’ Historyof the Peloponnesian War, 2.3546,. Translated by Richard Crawley, in 1874. http://icg.harvard.edu/~mr50/Thucydides/

Moral Reasoning 50 Pericles’ Funeral Oration, from Thucydides’ History of the Peloponnesian War Translated by Richard Crawley, in 1874 "I shall begin with our ancestors: it is both just and proper that they should have the honor of the first mention on an occasion like the present. They dwelt in the country without break in the succession from generation to generation, and handed it down free to the present time by their valor. And if our more remote ancestors deserve praise, much more do our own fathers, who added to their inheritance the empire which we now possess, and spared no pains to be able to leave their acquisitions to us of the present generation. Lastly, there are few parts of our dominions that have not been augmented by those of us here, who are still more or less in the vigor of life; while the mother country has been furnished by us with everything that can enable her to depend on her own resources whether for war or for peace. That part of our history which tells of the military achievements which gave us our several possessions, or of the ready valour with which either we or our fathers stemmed the tide of Hellenic or foreign aggression

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88. Acting The Fools: Thucydides On The Dramatic Origins Of The Sicilian Expedition David G. SMITH Acting the Fools thucydides on the Dramatic Originsof the Sicilian Expedition. In the opening chapter of his sixth http://www.apaclassics.org/AnnualMeeting/03mtg/abstracts/smithd.html

David G. SMITH Acting the Fools: Thucydides on the Dramatic Origins of the Sicilian Expedition apeiroi Although this statement is often taken to be true, upon closer inspection it proves to be one of the most easily disproven statements made by the historian otherwise known for the reliability of his facts. Given that these types of contact involved public meeting and discussion in the assembly and elsewhere, there can be no doubt that a large amount of both first and second-hand information about Sicily and its peoples was circulating among the Athenians at the very moment when Thucydides accuses them of being apeiroi This paper It is exactly this type of uncontrolled, public dissemination of information to which Thucydides is referring when he claims that the Athenians are apeiroi In other words, what makes Thucydides call the Athenians ignorant of Sicily is not the actual state or amount of their knowledge, but the haphazard and indiscriminate manner in which they have come to know. Just as, even now, the citing of journals is more respected than the citing of web pages, so the horizontal dissemination of information under democratic control at the end of the fifth century was disparaged as a source of true knowledge by elite Athenian intellectuals such as Thucydides. Finally, this paper reveals what must have been, for Thucydides, the most dangerous possible source of (mis)information about Sicily: the dramatic stage.

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90. Thucydides In your essays, give an account of the nature of Athens during the time of Periclesthat reflects a close reading and analysis of The Funeral Oration. http://www.stier.net/teaching/ih51/topics/thucydides.html

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A READER'S JOURNAL Thucydides Speeches of Pericles by H. G. Edinger Milestones of Thought Published by Frederick Ungar Pub. Co/NY "); // End > Search the Web   One cannot read the funeral oration of Pericles without having a sense of deja vu even if one had never read or heard of the speeches before. Here's a passage that affected me that way. It is the very opening words of his funeral speech. Read it and see if you have a similar sense: [page 32] "Many of those who have spoken here in the past have praised the custom of delivering this eulogy. They have felt it was right to make such a speech honoring the soldiers who have fallen in war. As for me, our performance of this burial suffices to show respect for the glories of these men, who have shown their bravery by their performance in battle. You have just seen the deep respect demonstrated in this burial solemnized by the state. Our belief in the valor of these men should not depend on whether one man's oratory is good or bad. The burial ceremony itself is preferable to the risk of putting the acts of bravery of numerous men into the custody of a single orator who might speak well or badly." Now read what a modern day Pericles wrote about soldiers who had fallen in war a short 140 years ago: "We have come to dedicate a portion of that field as a final resting-place for those who here gave their lives that that nation might live. It is altogether fitting and proper that we should do this. But in a larger sense, we cannot dedicate, we cannot consecrate, we cannot hallow this ground. The brave men, living and dead who struggled here have consecrated it far above our poor power to add or detract."

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