21. 20th WCP: Plato On Education As The Development Of Reason (5) But the intrinsic value of rationality itself cannot be proved. (6) dionysodorusin the Euthydemus, can refuse to accept the rules of the dialectical game http://www.bu.edu/wcp/Papers/Anci/AnciScol.htm

Ancient Philosophy Plato on Education as the Development of Reason Samuel Scolnicov The Hebrew University of Jerusalem mshpuss@pluto.mscc.huji.ac.il ABSTRACT: Socrates' great educational innovation was in ascribing moral worth to the intellectual activity reflectively directed at one's own life. His concept of eudaimonia was so different from the ordinary that talking about it took on sometimes a paradoxical air, as in Apology 30b3. For him, reason is not a tool for attaining goals independently thought worthwhile; rather, rationality itself, expressed in the giving of reasons and the avoidance of contradictions, confers value to goals and opinions. Persons are reasonable, but obviously not the empirical human being. But education is aimed at the empirical man or woman and inevitably employs psychological means. How then is it possible that the result of education should grow out of the depths of each individual and be nevertheless valid for all individuals? In the Symposium , Plato gives Aristophanes the crucial move. Each of us is only half the whole person and we are moved by our desire for what we lack. In this context, to claim that the soul is immortal is to claim-at least-that the soul has a non-empirical dimension, that its real objects are not the objects of desire as such, and that a person's sensible life is not the true basis for the evaluation of his or her

22. Euthydemos By Plato expressions. But are you quite sure about this, dionysodorus and Euthydemus? it?Certainly, Socrates, said dionysodorus; our art will do both. http://www.4literature.net/Plato/Euthydemos/2.html

Books [ Titles Authors Articles Front Page ... FAQ Euthydemos by Plato Buy more than 2,000 books on a single CD-ROM for only $19.99. That's less then a penny per book! Click here for more information. Read, write, or comment on essays about Euthydemos Search for books Search essays would superior beings, and ask you to pardon the impiety of my former expressions. But are you quite sure about this, Dionysodorus and Euthydemus? the promise is so vast, that a feeling of incredulity steals over me. You may take our word, Socrates, for the fact. Then I think you happier in having such a treasure than the great king is in the possession of his kingdom. And please to tell me whether you intend to exhibit your wisdom; or what will you do? That is why we have come hither, Socrates; and our purpose is not only to exhibit, but also to teach any one who likes to learn. Certainly, Socrates, said Dionysodorus; our art will do both. And you and your brother, Dionysodorus, I said, of all men who are now living are the most likely to stimulate him to philosophy and to the study of virtue? Yes, Socrates, I rather think that we are.

23. Euthydemos By Plato EUTHYDEMUS . PERSONS OF THE DIALOGUE SOCRATES, who is the narrator; CRITO;CLEINIAS; EUTHYDEMUS; dionysodorus; CTESIPPUS. Scene The Lyceum -. Crito. http://www.4literature.net/Plato/Euthydemos/

Books [ Titles Authors Articles Front Page ... FAQ Euthydemos by Plato Buy more than 2,000 books on a single CD-ROM for only $19.99. That's less then a penny per book! Click here for more information. Read, write, or comment on essays about Euthydemos Search for books Search essays 380 BC EUTHYDEMUS by Plato translated by Benjamin Jowett EUTHYDEMUS - PERSONS OF THE DIALOGUE: SOCRATES, who is the narrator; CRITO; CLEINIAS; EUTHYDEMUS; DIONYSODORUS; CTESIPPUS. Scene: The Lyceum - Crito. Who was the person, Socrates, with whom you were talking yesterday at the Lyceum? There was such a crowd around you that I could not get within hearing, but I caught a sight of him over their heads, and I made out, as I thought, that he was a stranger with whom you were talking: who was he? Socrates. There were two, Crito; which of them do you mean? Cri. The one whom I mean was seated second from you on the right-hand side. In the middle was Cleinias the young son of Axiochus, who has wonderfully grown; he is only about the age of my own Critobulus, but he is much forwarder and very good-looking: the other is thin and looks younger than he is. Soc. He whom you mean, Crito, is Euthydemus; and on my left hand there was his brother Dionysodorus, who also took part in the conversation.

24. 24.02 What Is The Best Way To Live? Lecture outlining the importance of virtue to happiness in Plato's Euthydemus.Category Society Philosophy Philosophers Socrates Reviews...... Most of it is devoted to some extraordinary arguments advanced by a pair of characterscalled Euthydemus and dionysodorus; but it also contains two interludes http://web.mit.edu/wedgwood/www/teaching/best98/bwl-euthyd.html

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Euthydemus Plato pacified by Socrates, who renews the conversation with Cleinias. The two Sophists are like Proteus in the variety of their transformations, and he, like Menelaus in the Odyssey, hopes to restore them to their natural form. He had arrived at the conclusion that Cleinias must become a philosopher. And philosophy is the possession of knowledge; and knowledge must be of a kind which is profitable and may be used. What knowledge is there which has such a nature? Not the knowledge which is required in any particular art; nor again the art of the composer of speeches, who knows how to write them, but cannot speak them, although he too must be admitted to be a kind of enchanter of wild animals. Neither is the knowledge which we are seeking the knowledge of the general. For the general makes over his prey to the statesman, as the huntsman does to the cook, or the taker of quails to the keeper of quails; he has not the use of that which he acquires. The two enquirers, Cleinias and Socrates, are described as wandering about in a wilderness, vainly searching after the art of life and happiness. At last

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Euthydemus Plato Euthydemus Plato Translated by Benjamin Jowett INTRODUCTION. The Euthydemus, though apt to be regarded by us only as an elaborate jest, has also a very serious purpose. It may fairly claim to be the oldest treatise on logic; for that science originates in the misunderstandings which necessarily accompany the first efforts of speculation. Several of the fallacies which are satirized in it reappear in the Sophistici Elenchi of Aristotle and are retained at the end of our manuals of logic. But if the order of history were followed, they should be placed not at the end but at the beginning of them; for they belong to the age in which the human mind was first making the attempt to distinguish thought from sense, and to separate the universal from the particular or individual. How to put together words or ideas, how to escape ambiguities in the meaning of terms or in the structure of propositions, how to resist the fixed impression of an 'eternal being' or 'perpetual flux,' how to distinguish between words and thingsthese were problems not easy of solution in the infancy of philosophy. They presented the same kind of difficulty to the half-

29. SOCRATES The Sophists By Sanderson Beck Socrates Crito Euthydemus dionysodorus Followers of Euthydemus and dionysodorusCleinias Ctesippus Hippocrates Doorkeeper Protagoras Followers of Protagoras http://www.san.beck.org/SOC2-Sophists.html

30. Attitudes Of Socrates By Sanderson Beck Comprehensive essay concerning the characteristics and lifestyle of Socrates.Category Society Philosophy Philosophers Socrates Reviews...... love, because he was aware of his ignorance.37 In Plato's Euthydemus Socrates decidesto take lessons from Euthydemus and his brother, dionysodorus, the latest http://www.san.beck.org/SOCRATES2-Attitude.html

31. Polybius • Histories — Book 16 Just at the same time dionysodorus and Deinocrates, who were brothers and both ofthem admirals of Attalus, met with equally strange experiences in the battle. http://www.ku.edu/history/index/europe/ancient_rome/E/Roman/Texts/Polybius/16*.h

mail: Bill Thayer Italiano Help Home Book XV This Book has not yet undergone detailed proofreading. There are probably still some typographical errors therefore, especially in proper names, numbers, and the small words. If you should find one, please let me know. Book XVIII Polybius The Histories Fragments of Book XVI I. A FFAIRS OF M ACEDONIA Philip's Operations in Asia Minor King Philip, on reaching Pergamon and thinking he had almost given a death-blow to Attalus, showed himself capable of every kind occurring. For yielding to anger little less than insane he spent most of his fury not on men but on the gods. In the skirmishes which took place the garrison of Pergamon easily kept him at a distance owing to the strength of the town. But as he got little booty from the country owing to the care Attalus had taken to prevent this, he henceforth wreaked his fury on the statues and sanctuaries of the gods, outraging, in my opinion, not Attalus but rather himself. For he not only burnt and pulled down temples and altars, but even broke up the stones so that none of the things he destroyed could ever be repaired. After he had laid wate the Nicephorium where he cut down the holy grove, pulled down the wall enclosing it and dug up the temples, which were numerous and splendid, from their foundations

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33. The Goddess Athena In Plato's Euthydemus - Main Here, anticipating the final move, like a person caught in a net, who gives adesperate twist that he may get away, I said No, dionysodorus, I have not. http://www.goddess-athena.org/Museum/Texts/Plato_Euthydemus_m.htm

T h e G o d d e s s A t h e n a i n P l a t o ' s E u t h y d e m u s Plato Euthydemus 302d (Loeb) T hen, after a pause, in which he seemed to be lost in the contemplation of something great, he said: Tell me, Socrates, have you an "ancestral Zeus"? Here, anticipating the final move, like a person caught in a net, who gives a desperate twist that he may get away, I said: No, Dionysodorus, I have not. W hat a miserable man you must be then, [302c] he said, and you are not an Athenian at all, if you have no ancestral Gods, nor shrines, nor anything else that denotes a gentleman! E nough, Dionysodorus; I said, do not be rough, and don't browbeat your pupil! For I have altars and shrines, domestic and ancestral, and all that other Athenians have. A nd have not other Athenians, he asked, an "ancestral Zeus"? T hat name, I said, is not to be found among the Ionians, neither we nor those who have left this city to settle abroad: they have an "ancestral Apollo", [302d] there is, who is the father of Ion, and a "family Zeus", and a "Zeus guardian of the phratry", and an " Athena guardian of the phratry". But the name of "ancestral Zeus" is unknown to us.

34. Assignments Suggested Reading Demosthenes 55, Against Kallikles Demosthenes 56, Againstdionysodorus. That is, what happened according to Darius and dionysodorus? http://www.chs.harvard.edu/online_disc/athenian_law/assign.htm

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35. Law And Economy In Classical Athens Law and Economy in Classical Athens Demosthenes Against dionysodorus. EdwardM. Harris. Suggested Reading Demosthenes 56, Against dionysodorus. http://www.chs.harvard.edu/online_disc/athenian_law/lect_harris.htm

Law and Economy in Classical Athens [Demosthenes]: Against Dionysodorus Edward M. Harris Brooklyn College Suggested Reading: Demosthenes 56, Against Dionysodorus Sometime around 322 BCE a man named Dareius brought a private action in an Athenian court against a merchant called Dionysodorus. Dareius and his business partner Pamphilus had made a loan to Dionysodorus and his partner Parmeniscus for a trading voyage to Egypt and back. In his opening words of his speech to the court, Dareius describes the risks confronting men who made maritime loans. "We who decide to engage in maritime trade and to entrust our property to other men are clearly aware of this fact: the borrower has an advantage over us in every respect. The borrower receives a clearly agreed upon sum of money, but all he leaves behind is just his promise to perform his legal duties in a small tablet bought for two obols and written on a tiny scrap of paper. We on the other hand do not promise to give the money, but immediately turn it over to the borrower. What do we place our trust in and what assurance do we receive when we part with our money? You and your laws which order that all agreements one makes willingly will be binding." In his closing words Dareius discusses the close connection between the role of the courts in enforcing contracts and the volume of trade in the marketplace of Athens.

36. EUTHYDEMUS of the Dialogue Socrates narrates to Crito a remarkable scene in which he has himselftaken part, and in which the two brothers, dionysodorus and Euthydemus http://www.molloy.edu/academic/philosophy/sophia/plato/euthydemus_summ.htm

INTRODUCTION TO THE EUTHYDEMUS By Benjamin Jowett I. Introductory Comments The Euthydemus is, of all the Dialogues of Plato, that in which he approaches most nearly to the comic poet. The mirth is broader, the irony more sustained, the contrast between Socrates and the two Sophists, although veiled, penetrates deeper than in any other of his writings. Even Thrasymachus, in the Republic, is at last pacified, and becomes a friendly and interested auditor of the great discourse. But in the Euthydemus the mask is never dropped; the accustomed irony of Socrates continues to the end... II. Summary of the Dialogue Socrates narrates to Crito a remarkable scene in which he has himself taken part, and in which the two brothers, Dionysodorus and Euthydemus, are the chief performers. They are natives of Chios, who had settled at Thurii, but were driven out, and in former days had been known at Athens as professors of rhetoric and of the art of fighting in armour. To this they have now added a new accomplishmentthe art of Eristic, or fighting with words, which they are likewise willing to teach 'for a consideration.' But they can also teach virtue in a very short time and in the very best manner. Socrates, who is always on the look-out for teachers of virtue, is interested in the youth Cleinias, the grandson of the great Alcibiades, and is desirous that he should have the benefit of their instructions. He is ready to fall down and worship them; although the greatness of their professions does arouse in his mind a temporary incredulity.

37. Euthydemus Socrates He whom you mean, Crito, is Euthydemus; and on my left hand therewas his brother dionysodorus, who also took part in the conversation. http://www.molloy.edu/academic/philosophy/sophia/plato/euthydemus_txt.htm

Who Was Plato? The Platonic Dialogues Sophia Commentary Jowett's Introduction Plato Euthydemus Translated by Benjamin Jowett PERSONS OF THE DIALOGUE: SOCRATES, CRITO, CLEINIAS, EUTHYDEMUS, DIONYSODORUS, CTESIPPUS SCENE: THE LYCEUM Crito: Who was the person, Socrates, with whom you were talking yesterday at the Lyceum? There was such a crowd around you that I could not get within hearing, but I caught a sight of him over their heads, and I made out, as I thought, that he was a stranger with whom you were talking: who was he? Socrates: There were two, Crito; which of them do you mean? Crito: The one whom I mean was seated second from you on the right-hand side. In the middle was Cleinias the young son of Axiochus, who has wonderfully grown; he is only about the age of my own Critobulus, but he is much forwarder and very good-looking: the other is thin and looks younger than he is. Socrates: He whom you mean, Crito, is Euthydemus; and on my left hand there was his brother Dionysodorus, who also took part in the conversation. Crito: Crito: But, Socrates, are you not too old? there may be reason to fear that.

38. TMTh:: PHILONIDES OF LAODICEA Student of Eudemus, Apollonius of Perga (who called him the 'great geometer)and dionysodorus the Younger. Cited by Polybius and Stobaeus. http://www.tmth.edu.gr/en/aet/1/81.html

Home Ancient Greek Scientists AGRICULTURALISTS ARCHITECTS ... PHYSICISTS MATHEMATICIAN PHILONIDES OF LAODICEA (fl. 2nd century BC) Life Epicurean philosopher from Laodicea (Syria) who lived in Ephesus. Student of Eudemus, Apollonius of Perga (who called him the 'great geometer) and Dionysodorus the Younger. Cited by Polybius and Stobaeus. Work His principal writings, which survive only in fragments, were: "On nature" "On scientific thoughts": Thoughts (virtual applications of the intellect) on: Mathematics (point, line), Physics (atom, void). "On writings relating to Artemon": 33 books. "On the teachings of Dionysodorus" "Conspectus in reply to Patareas": Commentary on the physics of Epicurus. Contact the Technology Museum

39. TYAG Supplementary Exercises Key 12 their relatives) to come to the prison, one man his sister, another his mother,another his wife, and in particular dionysodorus sent for (historic pres.) my http://tyancientgreek.org/keys/key12_athena.html

Key to Reading Unit 12 Cover Introduction Main Index Links ... Unit 12 1. Time is the [only] difference between an angry man and a madman ( lit . an angry man differs from a madman [only] in time; i.e. passing from anger to madness is only a matter of time). 2. For the man who prospers life is short, for the man who is unfortunate [it is] long. 3. Nothing comes into being out of nothing ( lit . from the not existing thing); cf. the Latin nihil ex nihilo 4. [My] friend, are you getting married when/although you can buy a rope (sc. and hang yourself) ( lit . when ropes are being sold). 5. No-one who is ( lit . being) just gets rich quickly. 6. Toils [become] sweet when toil has been altered (i.e. a change in work is welcome). 7. What profit is there in outraging ( lit. to outrage) corpses which are no longer alive ( lit . no longer existing). 8. Although you are here you are absent. 9. Love flourishes when it is well-provided, it dies when it is ill-provided. 10. If the wine is finished ( lit . no longer existing) the Cyprian (sc. goddess i.e. Aphrodite, the goddess of sexual love) disappears (lit. does not exist; i.e. wine is a vital part of sexual love). 11. Everyone is a kinsman of those who prosper.

40. TYAG Supplementary Exercises Key 10 18. 'Ctesippus,' said dionysodorus, 'do you have (lit. is there to you) a dog?''Yes, a very mischievous one,' said Ctesippus. 'Does he have (lit. http://tyancientgreek.org/keys/key10_athena.html

Key to Reading Unit 10 Cover Introduction Main Index Links ... Unit 10 1. Aristotle said that the roots of learning were bitter but the fruits sweet. 2. [There is] no lover who is not always in love ( lit . does not love always). 3. Everything mortal ( lit . all mortal things) has/involves many vicissitudes. 4. Fortune conquers and alters everything. 5. Hunger makes everything sweet except itself. 6. Time is the healer of all necessary evils. 7. Poverty lacks many things, greed [lacks] everything. 8. All the parts of life, just as of a statue, must be beautiful. 9. Did he commit all these injustices and violate the truce and break the peace or not? 10. For you did all this and this pleased all of you. 11. Ignorant strength often begets/produces harm. 12. But the noble man ought to bear disasters well. 13. Where a man is in pain, there he also directs ( lit . has) his mind. 14. In the face of necessity everything else ( lit . all other things) is weak. 15. But day and black night beget/produce many things for mortals. 16. A good man never ( lit . not ever) hates a[nother] good man. 17. To conquer oneself (

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